The Times podcast: Gavin Newsom versus the world

It’s hard to avoid Gov. Gavin Newsom these days, even if you don’t live in California. He frequently attacks other governors, throws daggers at members of his own Democratic Party, and declares the “California way” when speaking about everything from access to abortions to tackling climate change and more. All of this action on the national stage has people asking, is Newsom reluctantly testing the waters for a presidential nomination in 2024? And if not, what is his endgame? Read the full transcript here.


Host: Gustave Arellano

Guests: Mark Barabak, LA Times columnist

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