Trump White House staff detail a ‘heated’ Jan. 6 call with Pence

Former White House staffers described a “heated-up” call between President Trump and Vice President Mike Pence on Jan. 6, 2021, in footage shown Thursday by the Special Committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the US Capitol.

The video revealed new details about the couple’s relationship, before the President slammed his No. 2 for allegedly not having the guts to overturn an election, prompting calls from Trump supporters who gathered in the Capitol to ” to hang Mike Pence”.

“Despite the fact that the vice president has repeatedly told the president that he does not have the power and does not want to decide the outcome of the presidential election, Donald Trump has continued to pressure the vice president publicly and privately,” the rep said Pete Aguilar (D-Redlands), who chaired Thursday’s hearing, said. “Things reached a boiling point on January 6, and the consequences were catastrophic.”

Former Pence attorney Greg Jacob testified that he, his chief of staff Marc Short, communications director Devin O’Malley and director of legislative affairs Chris Hodgson went to the vice president’s residence on the morning of January 6.

“And we were told there was a call from the President,” Jacob said. “The vice president left the room to take this call and no staff went with him.”

But several of Trump’s family members were with him in the Oval Office, Aguilar said, before showing interviews with them and others, as well as never-before-seen images from the national archives of the president answering the call.

Eric Herschmann, a former White House attorney, told investigators he saw Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump, Lara Trump, Kimberly Guilfoyle, White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and Ivanka Trump, who described the call to investigators as ” very loose” and casual.”

Herschmann said he could only hear the President’s side. While it started out on a calm tone, he said, it got “heated,” a term Ivanka Trump also used to describe the conversation.

“Until it got a little louder, I don’t think anyone noticed at first,” said Herschmann.

“I remember hearing the word ‘wuss,'” Nicholas Luna, a former Trump aide, said in a statement. “Either he called him a wimp — I don’t remember if he said, ‘You’re a wimp’; “You’re going to be a wimp.” ‘Wimp’ is the word I remember.”

Gen. Keith Kellogg, Pence’s former national security adviser, said he remembered Trump saying something to Pence, “You’re not tough enough to make the call.”

“It was a different tone than I had heard before from the vice president,” Ivanka Trump added.

Ivanka Trump’s chief of staff, Julie Radford, told investigators Ivanka told her “that her father just had a disturbing conversation with the vice president.” Herschmann said Ivanka Trump looked “awkward” in Dan Scavino’s office after that moment.

When asked if she remembered Ivanka Trump saying her father called Pence, Radford replied, “The P-word.”

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2022-06-16/trump-white-house-staff-detail-heated-jan-6-call-with-pence Trump White House staff detail a ‘heated’ Jan. 6 call with Pence

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