The Jan. 6 committee plans to summon two witnesses on Thursday to speak about the alleged two-pronged effort to tie Pence into a plot to overthrow the election.
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The committee’s next hearing on Thursday afternoon on Jan. 6 will focus on the pressure campaign to persuade former Vice President Mike Pence to refuse voters from six disputed states.
In a Wednesday afternoon briefing, committee assistants said Rep. Pete Aguilar (D-CA) will chair the hearing, with Chairman Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS) continuing to chair. Previous hearings have largely had a single member handling the introduction of witnesses and evidence — Vice Chair Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) during the first hearing and Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) during the second.
Much of the day’s evidence and testimony should focus on two-pronged efforts to persuade Pence, who chaired the Jan. 6 joint session of Congress, certified voters from a number of states, former President Donald Trump and his allies Claiming to refuse was tainted by voter fraud. The committee should provide further evidence that the president’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, played a key role in advancing one of those avenues — a plan to convince several states, including Arizona, Georgia and Pennsylvania, to adopt lists of ” alternative voters”. Last month, a federal grand jury reportedly began issuing subpoenas to obtain information about the alternate electoral program.
Giuliani was also the focus of testimony during Monday’s hearing. Several Trump campaign employees, including campaign manager Bill Stepien and senior adviser Jason Miller, said Giuliani was the person who pushed Trump to declare victory on election night — despite figures showing the election was in moved in the opposite direction. After President Joe Biden’s election was called, Giuliani became a key proponent of a series of unsubstantiated and ultimately debunked allegations of voter fraud, including one involving alleged “ballot suitcases” in Georgia. Giuliani has since been suspended from practicing law in New York and DC for making false statements to the public and the court.
BJay Pak, who served as US Attorney for the Northern District of Georgia during and after the 2020 election, testified Monday that his office investigated those allegations and found them to be unfounded. Pak eventually resigned after learning that Trump planned to fire him in order to get the Justice Department to do more to actively investigate his claims. A hearing originally scheduled for Wednesday was to examine Trump’s efforts to “corrupt the Justice Department,” as Cheney put it, but that has been postponed until next week.
The committee was also expected to begin presenting evidence on Thursday about the second lead Trump allies were pursuing to try to influence Pence. That track included the so-called “Eastman Memo” – a six-point plan devised by attorney John Eastman that would have resulted in Pence unilaterally rejecting votes from several states. Although Eastman has not yet been charged in connection with Jan. 6, a federal judge has ordered him to turn over a tranche of emails between Trump and his associates. The same judge, U.S. District Judge David O. Carter, said in an order in March that the evidence he had before him convinced him that Trump and Eastman “most likely” tried to obstruct the joint session of Congress, and called it so memo a “coup”. in search of a legal theory.”
Video of testimony by former White House Counsel Eric Herschmann was played during Monday’s hearing in which he discussed communications with Eastman through Jan. 6. Herschmann said he thought Eastman’s plan was “crazy” and advised him against it. On Tuesday, Cheney announced the upcoming hearing with another clip of Herschmann discussing advice he gave Eastman the day after the riot.
“Now I’m going to give you the best free legal advice you’ve ever had in your life,” Herschmann told Eastman. “Get a damn good criminal defense attorney. You will need it.”
The committee said it plans to call two witnesses on Thursday:
- Greg Jacob, former advisor to Vice President Mike Pence; and
- Judge retired J. Michael Luttigwho formerly served on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit and served as Pence’s informal counsel until January 6.
The committee also said it expected more from Pence’s former chief of staff’s video testimony Marc Kurz. Portions of Short’s testimony were shown last week, in which he said Pence’s “loyalty to the Constitution” was more important to him on Jan. 6 than loyalty to Trump.
Eastman formerly served as one of Luttig’s legal clerks while at the bank. In September, Luttig issued a public statement on his Twitter account, saying he had advised Pence to reject Eastman’s legal theories, which he called “false in every way.”
John Wood, lead investigative attorney for the January 6 Committee, was scheduled to conduct most of Thursday’s questioning of witnesses. Wood previously served as US Attorney for the Western District of Missouri and authored a 2014 anti-corruption paper on the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.
Thursday’s hearing was scheduled to begin at 1 p.m. EST.
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